Mavic 2 Pro First Experience, Mapping Capability with Pix4D & Phantom 4 Pro vs Mavic 2 Pro



you're listening to the ask of droney podcast you ask we answer your drone questions whether you're here to turn your passion into profit and you simply fly for fun we're a community of learners and teachers who aspire to achieve greatness we are hey everyone and welcome to another fantastic episode of ask drone you you know who I am and today I'm really excited to show you something new the Mavic 2 pro and the pneumatic to zoom two fantastic drones recently released by DJI today here in a new york city and we're excited to be here but we also have a lot of questions that we want answers for there's things that we want to know beyond the average cinematographer or photographer i'm here with michael Oldenburg from DJI i have to say sir your presentation was awesome i love it but i'm curious what are the top three things you liked the most about the Mavic pro 2 or the matic pro 2 soon yeah well thank you first on that compliment we worked really hard to put that presentation together I think my favorite features about this product the fact that you have the choice between two camera so the one-inch sensor total GameChanger rip on this size right but I think the zoom and you can see that compression that ferrule the fact that you can create it's just gonna it's gonna open up a whole new kind of videography for drone pilots which is great and then the other thing with the intelligent features with hyperlapse and dolly zoom I think that again you know just increasing the creativity that you can create with these products it's gonna be amazing and I think people are really also gonna appreciate those side sensors and they're an active track mode and tripod mode right now which is a lot of people film that cinematic content into my mud mode and just having that additional awareness about the environment your owners into I love the dollies and that's like the vertigo effect right the old Alfred Hitchcock yeah I was doing that with the XIII back with the inspire one but you couldn't record and livestream at the same time with it and now you know it's the one tab for the pullout dolly soon but you can also manually create a fly in and zoom out like the shot you're showing behind you awesome so how much is the new Mavic pro 2 and how much is the zoom and when can we get it sure so it's Mavic 2 chromatic 2 pro 1449 not a twosome is 1249 today on DJI calm and very soon through our authorized regional channels around awesome thank you very much sir I appreciate it yeah frankly these new drones really open up a lot of doors but they also don't have some of the features that we've always been wanting and that's what's important to me is to give you a comprehensive review of exactly what we're seeing so start with a maverick to pro it's got that new one-inch CMOS sensor shooting 4k UHD at only 30 frames per second 4k 60 is still reserved for you Phantom pilots now the Mavic 2 pro and the Mavic two zoom can also fly a little bit faster we go from 40 miles an hour to 44 miles an hour yes there is a sport mode but question of the day do we see attitude mode in the Mavic 2 Pro the answer no now it'll be interesting to see if a hack comes out for it that we could get attitude mode because that is just so critical in getting buttery smooth shots now the other things that they added are almost 10 sensors for obstacle avoidance so you can have obstacle avoidance on the sides the back and even above the drone as well I have to say with this new Hasselblad sensor I'm really excited because the color depth is also much better than sometimes even what you get on a big Sony a7r Mark 3a Sony a7r Mark 3 has an 8 bit color gamut and we're now seeing a 10-bit color gamut from the Mavic 2 pro but you will see more dynamic range with the Mavic 2 Pro than the Mavic to zoom you know what's really cool do you remember the old inspire one the old z3 do zoom in the vertigo shot well now with new intelligent modes we're gonna be able to do those classic Hitchcock shots with the new Mavic to zoom now when we did a recent poll online we're asking people you know what are you more excited about Mavic to pro or Maddock to zoom overwhelming majority at 83% said they're interested in a Mavic to pro right one of the big questions with the Mavic 2 pro and the Mavic 2 zoom is are we gonna be able to use it for photogrammetry now I have Mr on God Singh here who is the drone Ghandi of drone mapping and he is frankly oh my god I've got a question for you all right we just found out that with the Mavic 2 Pro even though it does have a new larger 1 inch sensor that it does not have a global shutter it's got a linear rolling shutter absolutely so is the Mavic 2 Pro really viable or a good solution for photogrammetry yeah absolutely when it comes to pix 4d being in my perspective and what I truly believe is the premiere solution for you know taking images and creating very high resolution 3d models and maps even though it has a linear rolling shutter that is not something that will stop you from using it whatsoever I mean the original drones the original you know earlier phantom series the earlier Mavic series which are very very popular devices that folks are using to conduct very high-level photogrammetric work and 3d modeling they have linear rolling shutters there's only two things that you need to do when you have a linear rolling shutter camera that you're using to create you know good data within fix 4d and that is make sure that you're not flying too fast the faster that you fly with the camera that has a linear rolling shutter the more distortion that will appear in that image content therefore don't fly too fast and then on top of that is use the linear rolling shutter correction algorithm within our software within the Pixar de saucé 40 so when you fly the drone you're flying your drone out in the field I mean we're Hardware agnostic we work with any hardware yes it's incredibly exciting to be at this DGI event and yes we all know that DTI makes fantastic products from my personal opinion but just go ahead use the linear rolling shutter correction algorithm and fix 4d don't fly too fast and you should be okay so if I understand it correctly there are a couple extra precautions that we have to take in in our data acquisition when using a linear rolling shutter like slowing down making sure we have a good shutter speed I don't think that you should be flying very fast when we're trying to collect clear and crisp and in focus images anyways especially with the linear rolling shutter don't fly as fast as the drone can go at all when you're mapping yeah I mean fly relatively slowly and if you want to be super super careful you can physically stop the drone at every location that you have to take a photograph and and in pix forty capture that's our free flight planning app that would be called safe mode and I know that some of the other other hardware apps and other flight planning apps that exist also have similar functions to compensate for the effects of that linear own shutter awesome so let me ask you one question so the global shutter is technically a little bit better for mapping it's maybe because less okay now let me ask you this what about like point cloud cleanup when we're using something like a linear rolling shutter versus a global shutter are there differences in like the time frame that it may take to conduct these mapping missions clean up our point clouds and get our output deliverables high that's a very hard question I think there's so many variables that are involved with answering that that I don't think so I don't think that there should be too many things that we have to have to compensate for etc I mean it just goes back to the two basic points that I started with use the correction algorithm within fix for D don't fly q fast so I have one more question for you one of these things that I'm really excited about the Mavic tube pro is the fact that it's got this 10-bit color gamut it's gonna have a lot more color and dynamic range in the images do you think that that could actually help out in any photogrammetry work I think so yeah yeah I mean it's if you increase the dynamic range sometimes you can bring out different colors and stuff and that can help I mean I've seen folks that have made beautiful just absolutely beautiful 3d models in pix 4d where they have taken those images and used some image processing software to bring out particular colors to bring out highlights and put that into the software you know some basic imaging tools that's not you know that's not something that that I know tremendous amount about I think that you is somebody that has you know done more at photo editing etc would be able to wise folks on that but at the end of the day yes I've seen beautiful results that come out when folks do a little bit of pre-processing on the images most of the time you don't have to do that yeah most of the time it's not a requirement I mean if you're ensuring that your your camera settings and the sensor settings are going to be appropriate for in the field I mean having a faster shutter speed right you know crisper image it's it's being captured a little bit quicker making sure that your white balance is correct for the environmental conditions that you're experiencing at the given moment and you you should be okay I guess comes to serve a great mapping when it comes to creating really high resolution geometrically accurate data I don't think it's as important but if you want to make a really pretty mesh then maybe it is a bit more important well one thing I will note on that is anything you do to the images should be a global change it should be a batch process on the entirety of your image set not individual image editing I wouldn't do that because that can affect the photogrammetry we just went so far down the rabbit hole I love it this is what I love talking about with you is that you want to cover each point and I was just wondering is it safe to assume that we may get better detail in the shadow areas we may get more you know lifelike models with this type of data especially with what you're seeing with the video style of acquisition I mean one thing I will say and I think that it's really important for everybody to know is photogrammetry there's a lot of trade-offs it's an art and a science so it's hard to make absolute statements you know it's it's hard to say that this will absolutely do this and this will help you etc I mean it's hard to make those absolute statements so it does take you know it takes experience practice mapping have fun with mountain yeah okay I got one more question for you and by the way I'm very happy that you brought up that you know mapping is not only an art but it's also a science but I'm trying to say also it's probably not safe to assume anything until we actually get some mapping data with the drone itself and can see what it's really possible yeah this is like from a personal note right most every when I talk I'm talking about from my perspective in my personal opinion I would love map with this stroke with the Moffatt – it has a Hasselblad camera on and I mean they're a known sensor manufacturer they do great work I want to see what it does it has a linear rolling shutter though yeah though I was talking to the folks from Hasselblad and they were saying that it's a pretty quick shutter into so hopefully going back to those two things that I mentioned earlier flying slower and using the linear rolling shutter correction algorithm I overcome the issues and then you have a pretty portable device okay one last question we we also have the Mavic to zoom right we can get from 24 to 48 millimeters of zoom are we gonna be able to map with that or are we gonna have focal length change as we're flying is that something that's possible if you set the focal length to one set focal length and conduct your whole mission at that set focal length you're fine awesome right actually I mean okay so when you have an increased focal length you decrease the footprint of the image right so as we if we start out here with 24 millimeter focal length and then we increase it to 48 we're gonna go like this right that makes sense yeah when you do that let's say you're trying to map something really tall and skinny maybe that will help maybe we'll start to focus more on the object of interest that we have directly in front of us or do you think it's safe to say the the proximity of the object entails also the proximity as well I mean just be careful don't change the focal length don't zoom when you're mapping and you can map with any camera I mean the software of pix 40 is such a beautiful software it's it's truly Hardware agnostic you can use any camera I use my cell phone all the time awesome on god thank you so much for coming on the show man I really appreciate it great event no it's really awesome and guys if there's something that I want you to know we're gonna go fly this thing right now we're gonna have some fun with it and we're gonna see how agile is it we're gonna see what is it like to use sport mode so much I do have to say though I'm so excited about this drone I'm gonna go buy one right now and if you want one just click the link below alright let's go fly it many of our friends and followers have been asking a similar question does the Mavic 2 Pro replace the Phantom 4 Pro I actually think the answer is pretty simple not really and here's why while DJI has been advertising the one-inch sensor that the Hasselblad provides it's an amazing 10 bit color depth for photos and videos so the images are looking incredible I actually edited a pano of New York and it looked absolutely incredible in the depth of color was truly amazing and the amount of editing forgiveness that you had was truly incredible as well on the DNG files in fact Photoshop and Lightroom actually recognized the camera profile so it makes it even easier to edit anything some people were mentioning in my raw video that it looks like there may be some loss of focus issues on the left side of the video so that is another thing it's a lot easier to set it seems like an infinite focus on the phantom 4 Pro for whatever reason but after mapping with the Mavic 2 Pro I didn't really have the right conditions to get that data so far you know without having the applications to run a mapping mission I tried it it was over water we were trying to map a barge and it's really really difficult without GPS I mean the GPS information wasn't very good in fact the GPS was severely inhibited by all the steel from the building and while I'm still processing the data the Phantom 4 pro's global shutter puts that bird ahead of the race against the Mavic 2 Pro so if you're actually looking to map and film the global shutter sensor quality and stability of the phantom will still provide more value than a linear rolling shutter Mavic 2 pro but I also don't think that's going to inhibit sales whatsoever because the Mavic 2 Pro is a phenomenal sensor for photos and videos and with its portability and flexibility more and more people are gonna take that drone further and further with occu sync 2.0 and go to the most remote places in the world creating content that we've never seen before or in a color depth that has never been available before that 10-bit color depth if you think about it is even more than a sony a7r Mark 3 that 42 megapixel sensor is only 8-bit color depth think about that so in short phantom 4 Pro over m2p if you need to map and diversify your deliverable to a client thanks again for listening to the show ladies and gentlemen I really appreciate it it wasn't for you we wouldn't be here my name is Paul and you're listening to another fantastic episode of ask drone you you

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Timestamps
01:01 – Top 3 things that make the Mavic Pro 2 and the Mavic Pro 2 zoom so special
01:55 – Discussing the cool new feature on the Mavic 2 – dolly zoom
02:16 – How much will the Mavic 2 Pro and Mavic 2 Zoom cost?
02:47 – Will the 1 inch CMOS sensor on the Mavic 2 allow you to shoot in 4K 60 fps?
03:00 – How fast can the new Mavic go?
03:10 – Is Attitude mode on the new Mavic?
03:25 – Learn about Mavic’s solid obstacle avoidance
03:33 – Discussing the capabilities of the Hasselblad sensor on the new Mavic
04:10 – Are buyers more likely to buy the Mavic 2 Pro or Mavic 2 zoom?
04:45 – Angad Singh from Pix4D discusses if you can get good photogrammetry results in spite of the linear rolling shutter
05:34 – Precautions to observer while shooting with a rolling shutter
07:00 – Learn about Pix4D Capture’s function which allows you to compensate for linear rolling shutter
07:25 – Will UAV mapping take more time with the Mavic 2?
08:05 – Learn about the color and dynamic range offered by the Mavic 2
08:55 – Will images require pre-processing?
10:12 – Photogrammery – a art and science
11:35 – Can you map with the Mavic 2 zoom?
13:07 – Can the Mavic 2 prove to be a good replacement for the Phantom 4 Pro?
13:19 – Paul shares how the 1 inch Hasselblad sensor on the new Mavic results in extraordinary images
14:41 – Paul sums up the Mavic 2 review

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31 comments on “Mavic 2 Pro First Experience, Mapping Capability with Pix4D & Phantom 4 Pro vs Mavic 2 Pro

  1. Luc M

    Do you think the mavic 2 pro can now be considered as a mapping/photogrammetry tool comparable with the P4P given the recent software update from DJI ?
    Thanks again for your videos. Great job !

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  2. UAV CAPTURE

    So if I am understanding correctly the Mavic 2 pro can be used with pix4d to produce 3D models Orthomosaics, but in the pix4D Capture APP does not have the Mavic 2 versions only Mavic pro, is the Mavic pro able to be used to do the flight planning and execute missions or not?

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  3. Cliff Totten

    Hasselblad does NOT make image sensors. This is a Sony sensor, Sony lens, Sony focusing system, Ambarella H series image processor and Hasselblad lens filter. 😉

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  4. Av8Chuck

    When you talk about the P4, Mavic, and Mavic2 Pro your comparing toy drones, when you compare the camera on the Mavic2 Pro with the Sony a7RIII your comparing a 1" CMOS 20MP camera with a full frame 43MP camera and when you state that the Mavic2 Pro is 10 bit and the Sony is 8 bit your just wrong. the Sony is 14bit and can shoot 10bit log. There is no comparison.

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  5. Eyes Up! Drone Services

    Thanks; you answered the question I had about p4p vs m2p for mapping. What I haven't figured out yet is, which one for "infrastructure" type work, where you need to be close to a wind turbine blade / cell phone tower / power transmission tower? It seems that the m2p is much more stable and locked in in windy conditions than the p2p; but you'd be laughed off the job if you showed up with a "toy" like the m2p. Hmm. Actually, even using a p4p for those jobs is a bit amateurish. I guess a larger hex or octo with a pro camera would be more suited to that type of work?

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  6. jerfguy

    This IS the video I was waiting for, unfortunately not the news I was hoping for. THX for your content guys. It's great to have Mr. Singh's insite on the limitations and solutions to mapping with this new Mavic 2 Pro

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  7. ITUMBLE4U

    Hi DroneU. Do you know if the Mavic Pro 2 has the "Super Resolution" feature that the DJI live feed showed for the Zoom model? Thanks for your time!

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  8. Photo Shooter

    Someone please answer my question. Im not looking for a mapping device, I want a drone to shoot pre/post/wedding photos and videos. Occasional personal trips and sometimes commercial videos for hotels and other infrastructures. Is the mavic 2 pro good enough or should I buy the phantom 4 pro v2 ?

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  9. Mark Williams

    Good honest and Pro level perspective.. . Yes the M2Pro will be great for pro photography and videography.. but for day in and day out mapping.. I’m keeping my Phantom 4 Pro v2

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  10. Steven Johnson

    Fresh perspective. I love it. Too many unboxing videos with no depth. I have a P4P and Mavic Pro so I’m torn whether to buy a new one. Will it be better than what I have? Just the Hasselblad almost has me sold but the cost. Ouch. Once you add the Fly more package and insurance it’s getting close to 2K. I think I’ll wait a few months for all the bugs (if any) to get worked out and then decide.

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  11. Wxjeremy

    I’m really trying to decide between the Mavic 2 Pro or the Phantom 4 Pro V2. I work at a gas/oil engineering company and want to use my personal drone to help kickstart a drone program at work for mapping, photogrammetry, and GIS/CAD data collection.

    For personal use (mainly photography), I really like the idea of having a compact drone that’s easy to travel with, but I also want to get something that would still be adequate for trying out mapping software (at least for some initial proof of concept jobs). If my boss sees this as something to move forward with, then the company would likely start with renting, then hopefully purchasing, a more industrial solution, like a Matrice 200 or 600.

    I have a hefty coupon for Best Buy and want to make a decision within the next couple of days before it expires.

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  12. mrspeigle1

    Pretty much my conclusion from reading the data sheets regarding the mp2 vs p4p debate. Still it's a sexy beast and I kind of want one just to have one kind of like most of the guns in my gun safe.

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  13. ADD Dad

    Didn't buy because the two different cameras should have been available on one drone… Competitors should capitalize on this serious mistake.

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